His life got cut short by Frieza, as did Bardock's. Bardock's blast hit Vegeta's and the two beams of energy began to struggle against one another. You're getting it wrong there. "but he's a king and should be the most powerful" - pathetic. King Vegeta was almost overwhelmed by like 10 basic henchmen where as Bardock took down Dadoria's team and hundreds of henchmen while injured. With Bardock constantly going on missions, his zenkais would propel him into a very high power level compared to King Vegeta who would continue to louse around unless war broke or something. He was also the commanding hero of theSaiyan Army, and led his people to victory in theSaiyan-Tuffle war, in which the planet was renamed in his honor. Power Levels for Dragon Ball Z Bardock - The Father of Goku, Brolys Past and Episode of Bardock.\r\rI do not own anything. Quite pathetic of you. » Prince Vegeta (kid) VS Bardock. It seems like your entire argument revolves around King Vegeta being...well, a King. Both fathers of a mainstream anime.EOS Minato vs Current BardockRulesBoth are bloodlustedNo prep timeBardock starts in SSJ and Minato starts in Kurama 98.225.251.65 23:23, January 18, 2013 (UTC). No, It. Go back and you'll see that I've addressed everything that was an attempt to counter me. Power level advantage: Bardock (better feats, more zenkais, more battles), Experience advantage: Bardock (nuff said), Fighting skill advantage: Bardock (Training does not mean anything if you dont have experience, Bardock has enough to where he is as skilled as they come), Reputation advantage: King Vegeta (that helps). The saiyans are a kind of race that power is everything, given time King Vegeta might surpass bardock.Bardock's ability to get stronger when he comes close to death is activated alot more because he actually fights alot more. Because I recall in the anime something like this happened: Goku died, King Kai tried to build a house and failed, they went to find Grand Kai, then Goku entered a tournament against Pikkon, then it's just a gap in time, and the next time we see Goku in any kind of training was using heavy weights. There is no way that Bardock can win unless it is an unfair playing field (i.e. re: Bardock vs King Vegeta There's two ways to look at this. He triple busted the planets. Was he in their league? Also, Tuffles >>>>>Kanassians. Goku mastered numerous forms of martial arts. They're close in power with King Vegeta in the lead. To be king means you have natural talent. He fought Frieza's lower class guards BEFORE he challenged Frieza (landing a few punches and kicks before blasting them with Orga Blaster) and lost in one hit. "King Vegeta has better training. Or are we assuming King Vegeta somehow survived and went back in time like Bardock? 3). While they were both fighting from a young age; Vegeta was fighting merc contracts that included fighting MANY foes in just one mission, whereas Goku just fought giant fish until DB began. In this state, he is the personification of Mechikabura's magic power. Discussion. You must be his offspring." SSJ3Vegetto (talk) 18:30, November 22, 2012 (UTC), I think Bardock wins because in the Bardock movie, it said Bardock was stronger. In the movie Bardock: The Father of Goku, Planthor and Malaka gauge Bardock's power level at 10,000 after he returns from Kanassa. I'm sure that convinces people. Tag me when you get an actual argument rather than misinterpreting and insulting a foible of mine. But how does that contribute to an actual battle? Low class means nothing to Goku nor Bardock. While you shouldn't base who wins based on who has a higher power level; it gives you a great idea of who is in whom's ball park. Bardock on the other hand is a hardened soldier who killed Dadoria's squad and took on hundreds of henchmen at once. That is the ENTIRE point of Goku and Vegeta is that though Vegeta has formal training and was a high class saiyan he was surpassed and out-skilled by Goku time and time again, do you know why? Power levels alongside filler is irrelevant, since we have stated power levels from the filler. Hey now...that is full proof logic!....I couldn't type that with a straight face, sorry. If you watched the first few episodes of DBZ then you can tell that power levels change a lot, courtesy of Raditz. A. a Vageta fagget B. being very spiteful and C. Do not deserve to post another comment on any debate forum..EVER........................not bullshit splurred from your mouth...................(Batman fags, Vageta fags, Cell fags, Flash fags, and SUPERMAN fags)............................You know who does crap like that..? Although Bardock: The Father of Goku/The History of Trunks are both features rather than movies in my opinion. And the ones Bardock fought are Freiza's right hand man's elites, which doesn't mean a whole lot. You're getting flagged I promise my tolerance level has had it up to here. 1. K, Bardock goes SSJ just to spite King Vegeta before then royally whooping his ****. He saying no proof =/= no argument. Yes, experience is very important too, but there's a reason people are trained before they go into a fight, rather than just tossing them into the ring and letting them figure it out themselves. Not to make light of KV's own growth rate (a trait of all Saiyans), but Bardock seems to have an affinity for it. You're using comic logic in DB. So if bardock fought king vegeta when he is a ssj, bardock wins no doubt. You putting words into our mouth's is pathetic. More feats = win. And we all know how much prestige matters in DBZ *cough* Vegeta and Goku *cough*.King Vegeta defeated the Tuffles; considering he didn't do it alone, they are comparable. try and watch the REAL version of dbz then say all that bullshit. I'm saying this because in the tournament at the Other World, Goku was already stronger and essentially better than everyone. King Vegeta attempted to kill Paragus with an Execution Beam, but this failed to kill Paragus. A devoted and loyal warrior despite his low-class, after learning of Frieza's plans to destroy the Saiyans, he seeks to attempt to stop him at any cost and save his newly born infant son and the rest of his race. I figure op didn't realize that Bardock could so SSJ1, as if he did he'd be out of his mind to even ask that question, aaaand it'd be hardcore spite. King Vegeta and his son both had the same desires; taking over the universe, killing Frieza for supremacy, and becoming the #1 Saiyan in the universe (King Vegeta was fearful over Broly, and Vegeta was in shock of Goku’s strength). I got no basis for this, but isn't there a diminishing return in training the more powerful you are? vegeta surpassed his father but we have no idea when. If Bardock was lower than these soldiers the same would have happened, they would have been fast or strong enough to survive and beat him to death. Do you remember Cui vs Vegeta? It is likely that Bardock was the most powerful lower-class Saiyan soldier of his time. Full power the OP says? That is the ENTIRE point of Goku and Vegeta is that though Vegeta has formal training and was a high class saiyan he was surpassed and out-skilled by Goku time and time again, do you know why? If not, a newer thread with an updated scenario and specification on who is at what power level would be nice. No. 2). - What is King Vegeta's 'stated potential advantage' referring to? Where does this logic come from? They also jobbed for pis. Man, he is not training very hard. But bardock would still beat King Vegeta because King vegeta was way weaker than Frieza and when Vegeta was a child he was stronger than his dad. That's easily addressed. If you count super saiyan bardock, he will absolutely destroy king Vegeta without breaking a sweat. This Bardock can go into SSJ making him a lot stronger. It was stated by some doctor that Bardock is catching up to King Vegeta quickly. None You are just spectulating completely. You're going by comic book logic: Bardock had more screen time, thusly more feats. @limilicious: His stated reputation is just an extension of Bardock's, as in DB/DBZ/DBGT if you're stronger then you can do anything that somebody below you can do, simply better (bar special attacks). Bardock would probably do no better, but his death was more amazing. He is roughly the same age, was he NOT there? People suck the fun out of this. Super Saiyan multiplies the Saiyans power level 50 times so he will be many times stronger than king Vegeta. 5. Frieza had the reputation. However zenkai can happen to all saiyans, so King Vegeta has that potential as well, and we're talking about what they have the potential to do as of right now: not as of the future.) It's a known Saiyan ability. It would be like Kaio-Ken x3 vs. Vegeta if those two were to fight. I really don't know what's up for discussion here. This implies that Bardock was, at least at that time, weaker than King Vegeta. Don't really need to anyway. 3). Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! bardock never got any zenkais from dodoria since he wasnt near death. I think that Bardock had more potential than King Vegeta but would probably have lost in a fight against him. When someone leave you for dead,it implys that you survived a near death experience. This debate is seriously ended with it being outrightly stated that King Vegeta is more powerful. In the "Bardock Special" it clearly states that King Vegeta and Bardock were roughly around 10,000. He was also the commanding hero of theSaiyan Army, and led his people to victory in theSaiyan-Tuffle war, in which the planet was renamed in his honor. He got no power boost from fighting on Planet Meat, so his power level at death (if he wasn't enraged) and in this fight would still be just below 10,000. Yeah, Goku was in the opposite position. Like the movie, it is unknown how long the Saiyan space pods trips were to Kanassa, Meat, and to Frieza’s ship. Reputation advantage: King Vegeta - Debatable but leaning towards agreed. It stated King Vegeta's Power level was 10,000 while Bardocks was almost there, But In the Filler Bardock Did Go SSJ and kill Chiller. I believe it works kind of like this. Where is it even from? Bardock: 10,000 Bardock's Teammate: 5,000 Gine: 500 Kakarot: 12 (Frieza Arc; in vision): 1,000,000 Frieza (First Form): 530,000 98.225.251.65 23:58, January 18, 2013 (UTC), King Veggie could be 10x stronger than Bardock, but we'd have no way of proving it. Dragon Ball; Dragon Ball Super; Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! While injured. NOT MARTIAL ARTS.Since then, Vegeta has not learned any new martial arts. I disagree with this strongly. I mean, think about it. It was said that he was “born” SS, I think this means that he was born with the ability to go SS not that he came out as a SS. Context? 2). So we technically don't know what King Vegeta's PL was. Does years of experience not equal skill now a days? He reminds me of Gohan so much, and this trait may have been how Gohan gained the ability to gain boosts in power based on emotions. @darkbiscuit: @wolfrazer: The quality is bad. Reputation advantage: King Vegeta (that helps)Buu had the reputation. Unless you count the power of baby Broly, and he was born with the same level of power as Bardock when he was being treated by the doctors! Bardock does have more battles though, yes. Vegeta is a better fighter than Goku because he's a natural tactition. Bardock doesn't have better feats unless you can prove King Vegeta couldn't have handled those elites. King Vegeta: 11,000. Power levels alongside filler is irrelevant, since we have stated power levels from the filler. Of Bardock is canon, then Bardock would be stronger as he went super Saiyan in it and also on planet plant he was very injured and probably go Zenkai, Bardock, because in the Bardock movie it said Bardock was stronger than King Vegeta.